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Jodo wrote: “S.S. (Totenkopf?) wrote:
“And you ask me why I say there’s so much false info… “”
(Msg#55193 on 10/14/2004 at 13:45)Jodo wrote: “Quite true; I do consider the AGDI people fans in some way… SS Totenkopf…”
(Msg#55283 on 10/15/2004 at 14:22)Ok Jodo, to associate me with Adolf Hitler’s elite troop when all I did was question you is extremely sick. Not once did I call you names, and all you did was accuse me of causing trouble when you found my questions “too difficult” to answer. Not once did I insult you, even though your lack of logic and comprehension skills are astounding. I can certainly tolerate you calling me a troll, but calling me “S.S. Totenkopf” definitely crosses it. For the record, I was and will never be a fan of yours, so you can stop deceiving yourself that I am. I’ll never be a fan of an imaginary game project, and I certainly won’t be a fan of a name-calling liar.
Klitos, thank you for speaking up for me.
Jodo, I’m not a fan of yours, though if I entertain you at times that is a by-product of me not understanding what the hell you’re talking about 9 times out of 10. And that’s not because I’m stupid either, I happen to have a Masters Degree in Financial Services. Not that you’d probably understand what that is.
What I will put my foot down about is your complete low, cowardly, smarmy and ill-informed insults directed at Swift. For you to be refering to her as SS Totenkopf is disgusting and degrading. While she may not believe that you are actually working on a remake / whatever of Laura Bow, a view which you haven’t disproved in your ramblings, to equate her with with Hitler’s SS … I am left stunned that even you would sink that low.
For those who don’t know what SS Totenkopf means, SS is the abbreviation of Schutz Staffel, Adolf Hitler’s elite troops during the Second World War. Totenkopf is german for skull, which is the symbol SS-ers wore on their caps…they were sometimes referred to as the Totenkopf brigade. They were particularly infamous for their ruthlessness. They were often in charge of important operations like guarding Nazi officials and leading destruction camps.
Jodo Kast or Benjamin Lindelof, you are a disgrace. I hope the mods (Relight??) consider all of this in your moderations of this board.
This is the first I’ve heard that there might be a bug in that code. Sorry about that. At this point, my plan would be to address it in the new bulletin boards, which hopefully go live within a week or two.
Check them out!
-Ken W
I remember he added the checkbox when I complained the first time about images resizing. 🙂 That was supposed to allow you to specify whether or not the image resized after you uploaded it.
The issue this time is that even when you specify not to resize the image, they are still being resized…
-emily
Benjamin, Jodo, whatever,
You obviously have NO grasp on how legal issues are handled. Get a book about entertainment and copyright law. Also, you cannot use the likenessess of actors or actresses without their permission for your game. So no virtual Renee Zellweger for you.
There are a number of new companies with former LucasArts employees from what I understand. This one looks very promising – http://www.amegames.com. Their game is already well under development, they’re looking for a publisher, and they were featured in The Inventory (adventure game PDF magazine I would recommend – if you haven’t heard of it, find it at http://www.justadventure.com).
Ken did this as a “feature.” It’d be up to him to change it – which I would personally vote for. I don’t know if he’s changed anything about how images / attachments are handled in the new beta as I haven’t had the chance yet to look at it, but that’s an area where improvements could be made.
Hi Johann de Waal,
You said,
“I’m not a regular on any of the other boards mentioned in this thread. For that reason, I have zero insight to offer on the highly prevalent animosity in this thread.”
»» This is a heated discussion between old Internet peers, so it’s correct you probably don’t understand it’s all in good fun. DEADLY DEADLY FUN.You said,
“I do have a few comments and suggestions though:
1. Regardless of how it started, or what the related parties have done or said in the past, I don’t see any reason why your verbal tirades needed to be carried over on to this board. If Ben believes he can make an online, multiplayer adventure game with a murder mystery setting, then by all means at least let him try. If in the end, he fails to produce a game, then so be it. He will simply have joined the rank and file of the hundreds of other small, independent, and under-/non-funded developers who have failed to bring their product(s) to the market.”
»» Quite true; I do consider the AGDI people fans in some way. Klitos, Erpy, SS Totenkopf, LucasFan, et al are quite entertaining.“2. Ben, I’d advise that you drop the whole “Laura Bow” thing. You don’t need it. If you guys are indeed successful in completing your game, and in the case that it is commercially viable, having a non-official (i.e. illegal) Laura Bow license attached to hit will go some way towards tackling any commercial aspirations. If at a later stage, you want to reattach the name, and the game is at a suitably impressive and advanced state, then surely you can approach Vivendi Universal (or whoever owns the property at that time) in order to make a deal.”
»» Sierra’s adventure games are common fodder for fan remakes so I see no problem there. However if Vivendi/Universal make it a problem, we’ll change the names of the characters. Keep in mind: Nothing is online right, nothing is publically available right now, everything is till liquid and nothing has set yet. V/U could announce they are remaking Colonel’s Bequest… who knows?“3. I’ve visited the site and seen the pics. Good luck and keep on trucking!”
»» Thank you!I’m not a regular on any of the other boards mentioned in this thread. For that reason, I have zero insight to offer on the highly prevalent animosity in this thread.
I do have a few comments and suggestions though:
1. Regardless of how it started, or what the related parties have done or said in the past, I don’t see any reason why your verbal tirades needed to be carried over on to this board. If Ben believes he can make an online, multiplayer adventure game with a murder mystery setting, then by all means at least let him try. If in the end, he fails to produce a game, then so be it. He will simply have joined the rank and file of the hundreds of other small, independent, and under-/non-funded developers who have failed to bring their product(s) to the market.
2. Ben, I’d advise that you drop the whole “Laura Bow” thing. You don’t need it. If you guys are indeed successful in completing your game, and in the case that it is commercially viable, having a non-official (i.e. illegal) Laura Bow license attached to hit will go some way towards tackling any commercial aspirations. If at a later stage, you want to reattach the name, and the game is at a suitably impressive and advanced state, then surely you can approach Vivendi Universal (or whoever owns the property at that time) in order to make a deal.
3. I’ve visited the site and seen the pics. Good luck and keep on trucking!
“Ah Swift? You got a headache yet?” – Klitos
Not yet, but I’m pretty sure I’ll get one eventually if this continues.
“You already posted that you do not believe I should do this. My response is “Nobody cares. Your reply – pasted below – shows you spend way too much time trolling message boards on the Internet. Find something productive to do with your time. We can agree to disagree for now, as you aren’t anything with your last post (just more of the same)” – Jodo
What I wanted to do was to clarify since what you wrote here didn’t match what your team member said in your website, and to find out exactly how you plan to deal with copyright issues. Asking questions isn’t trolling. I will however respect your wish to drop the issue, since I’ve already made my point.
“In this case we can use the original music, recorded from the game itself and stored in OGG VORBIS format.”
Yes, that would indeed be your best option, given the current circumstances and you’d be doing Tom a favor in the process. Thanks.
(um…and a troller is someone who is baiting people for flames. I just wished to clarify QuestStudios’ stance on this whole thing and thus, my reaction cannot be described as trolling.)
“Ah Swift? You got a headache yet? Jodo, it’s been nearly a year now, you got an original screenshot to show me yet?”
If you want news on the game — or screenshots — please visit this website for News: http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/laurabowinvestigativereporter/
Erpy,
Hello Troller Van Empel. No Erpy today? Good.
In this case we can use the original music, recorded from the game itself and stored in OGG VORBIS format.
Sound good? Great!
(re: My first time ………)
Thanks for posting about your first experience with KQ! I love hearing how other people were introduced to Sierra games.
🙂 emily
Ah Swift? You got a headache yet?
Jodo, it’s been nearly a year now, you got an original screenshot to show me yet?
Since Tom and I are on the same team together, I think I’m in a position to answer your last reply.
Yes, Tom has written permission from Sierra to distribute the music on his site. This agreement was made before Vivendi took over, but it’s binding until VU decides to revoke it.
Tom has very strict guidelines regarding the music distribution and for an enterprise such as yours, he’d need at least proof that you have written permission from VU to use their trademarks before he can give you permission to use the music on his site.
Tom has been forced to ask people to remove music taken from QS from their sites in the past, because they took it without authorisation and he didn’t give you authorisation to use it as you saw fit. (I’m positive of that)
Since YOU need something from HIM, I wouldn’t ask Tom to contact you. You should contact him and provide him with written permission from VU before you take stuff from his site that is to be used in such an endeavor.
“Swift Sumner”
You already posted that you do not believe I should do this. My response is “Nobody cares.”
Your reply – pasted below – shows you spend way too much time trolling message boards on the Internet. Find something productive to do with your time. We can agree to disagree for now, as you aren’t anything with your last post (just more of the same)
“Did you get permission from Tom Lewandowski to use those music clips from his website?”
Did Tom Lewandowski get permission from Sierra to recreate the music and post it? Find the source of the problem if that is your concern, if I am using something you do not approve of, please contact Tom directly or ask Tom to contact me directly.
Thanks in advance!
“You are concluding that you are the authority on the matter, much like Broomie does.” – Jodo
Now you’re putting words in my mouth. I’m not claiming that I have “authority on the matter”, I’m trying to find out exactly what is going on. And there’re still some things I’d like to clarify with you.
“Yes Vivendi/Universal will not deal with us at all in regards to the Laura Bow copyright and they know full well that we are pursuing it.” – Jodo
You mean to tell me that VU is fully aware of the fact that you plan to charge people for a game which they own (and you still don’t own that game) and they’re not going to do anything? No C&D letter? No lawsuit? I find that very hard to swallow. They’re just going to let your team reap all the profits out of the goodness of their hearts?
“It’s like a legal game of chess and the final move will be when we release the game. Then it’s up to Vivendi/Universal again, it goes back and forth.” – Jodo
?!?! That doesn’t make sense. It doesn’t even sound relevant at all.
“Vanessa Mule responds to general queries regarding the game using the bhjodokast yahoo address for the LBCBR Crew.”
Isn’t that your e-mail address? Why are you sharing it with her? Doesn’t she have her own e-mail address? If she always uses that bhjodokast yahoo address to make announcements, why did you feel the need to tell everyone that she isn’t you in the next post?
Surely you wouldn’t need to write this after her post, right?
“That was not Jodo Kast. This is Jodo.
I fixed the name so Vanessa can reply with our team name: LBCBR Crew.” – Jodo
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/laurabowinvestigativereporter/message/589
“She said V/U is OK with our plans because they are not actively trying to stop us” – Jodo
Just because VU didn’t seem to be “actively trying to stop [you]” doesn’t mean that they’re “OK” with it.
This statement: “Vivendi/Universal (who owns the copyright to all Sierra property) is OK with our plans, as long as we don’t sell the actual game.”
implies that VU gave you some sort of official statement that they’re “OK” with it, and now you’re saying that “V/U cannot bless our project”, that you just assumed they’re ok with it because they haven’t come after you yet. I’m seeing a lot of contradictions here.
“what do they care if we want to publish a 3-D game? It’s not like they are using the characters, the old Sierra is dead so nobody cares.” – Jodo
I cannot believe that you wrote that. “What do they care”? If they let a small team make money out of their game, they lose their copyright. Of course they care. In fact, they’re even discussing the possibility of selling the old games again. (http://community.vugames.com/WebX?14@106.JY3SdK0hPTm.1578754@.1dd83b44/0) Now if they were actually thinking of doing that, would they want to lose copyright just because they didn’t stop a small team from making money off their game? I think not.
Oh, and one more thing. Did you get permission from Tom Lewandowski to use those music clips from his website?
Swift wrote:
“And you ask me why I say there’s so much false info… “Jodo replies:
There is no false information as far as I am aware. You are concluding that you are the authority on the matter, much like Broomie does. I’ll keep that in mind. For as you must be aware, plans change. Plans change and stuff moves around; calm down, everything is under control.Swift wrote:
“You’re right, I am extremely confused because one of your team members (Vanessa Mule) wrote:
“It will be a free game, but… We will be selling the boxes/CDs/manuals to go with the
free game”
and
“Vivendi/Universal (who owns the copyright to all Sierra property) is OK with our plans, as long as we don’t sell the actual game.”
These statements can be found in this link of yours. I’m sure you’re aware of it. After all, she made that post using your email address. (Hmm…)
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/laurabowinvestigativereporter/message/588″ Jodo replies: Yes Vivendi/Universal will not deal with us at all in regards to the Laura Bow copyright and they know full well that we are pursuing it. It’s like a legal game of chess and the final move will be when we release the game. Then it’s up to Vivendi/Universal again, it goes back and forth.
Vanessa Mule responds to general queries regarding the game using the bhjodokast yahoo address for the LBCBR Crew. She said V/U is OK with our plans because they are not actively trying to stop us – unlike some web surfers out there. V/U cannot bless our project but what do they care if we want to publish a 3-D game? It’s not like they are using the characters, the old Sierra is dead so nobody cares.
It’s just as well; it’s great fodder for the general public to make their own games. I heard rumors of a Police Quest game remake with Live Action (which is REALLY easy with a $500 Sony digicam).
I can legally charge you $50 to visit my website. Now if there happens to be a Laura Bow game there you can download for free, so be it. Nobody cares! LOL.
You’re right, I am extremely confused because one of your team members (Vanessa Mule) wrote:
“It will be a free game, but… We will be selling the boxes/CDs/manuals to go with the free game”
and
“Vivendi/Universal (who owns the copyright to all Sierra property) is OK with our plans, as long as we don’t sell the actual game.”
These statements can be found in this link of yours. I’m sure you’re aware of it. After all, she made that post using your email address. (Hmm…)
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/laurabowinvestigativereporter/message/588 As for this statement,
“Vivendi/Universal doesn’t work with independent fan remakes so there is no problem there.”
So one minute VU is, and I quote your team member, “OK with our plans, as long as we don’t sell the actual game”, and the next minute, they don’t “work with independent fan remakes so there is no problem there”? Just which one is it then?
Also, doesn’t VU own Laura Bow 1? Whatever method you’ll choose to charge people for your remake, don’t you have to get VU’s permission first before you start selling it? Making money out of a game which they still hold copyright to is illegal. Just how do you plan to overcome that problem?
And you ask me why I say there’s so much false info…
Swift,
“wow, so much false info… ” Answer from Jodo: What false information are you referring to?
“Just how do you plan to sell your free game, and how on earth did you get VU to agree to your plans on selling it in the first place? Just curious.” Answer from Jodo: Sell my free game? You sound confused. If I’m selling a game, it’s not free. If it’s free how would I be selling it? I don’t understand your question. I don’t work for VU and I don’t have a deal with them.
“Does that mean that you’ll no longer be producing CDs, printed manuals and boxes anymore? Just how exactly are you going to charge people for this game which you don’t own the rights to? -Swift” Answer from Jodo: That’s a good question. We have artwork here for the characters, animations and backgrounds for a Colonel’s Bequest remake. We have the music from Tom L’s website. The game will be released as soon as possible. Vivendi/Universal doesn’t work with independent fan remakes so there is no problem there. Let me know if you have a specific question about this.
Wow, so much false info…
“Once again you stalkers are bothering me on the Internet.
In any other medium, you would be ignored so the rest of us can have some fun! For instance, I offered a few positions where you could help out. You just want to bug people. You bug the people who are programming Quest for Glory 2 Remake and KQ2 VGA remake, and you are bugging me.” – Jodo
I wasn’t there when the alleged “bugging” took place, but from the posts that I’ve read at AGDI, the Infamous Adventurers didn’t bug you, and they didn’t bug the AGDI team for the remakes either.
Would you care to comment on this statement found in this article from your website please?
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/laurabowinvestigativereporter/message/588
“It will be a free game, but we’ll have boxes and CD’s burned and printed, and even a manual (minus the fingerprint copy-protection system that Sierra included with their manual). We will be selling the boxes/CDs/manuals to go with the free game, or as an alternative if you do not want to download the file (the finished game should be under 1 CD (700MB). Vivendi/Universal (who owns the copyright to all Sierra property) is OK with our plans, as long as we don’t sell the actual game.” – Vanessa Mule, team member of Jodo’s game
Just how do you plan to sell your free game, and how on earth did you get VU to agree to your plans on selling it in the first place? Just curious.
“Right now we are looking at publishing the game only on the Net; you visit the website and you play the game online. Your saved games will be online. This way we can control who plays for free and who must pay.” – Jodo
Does that mean that you’ll no longer be producing CDs, printed manuals and boxes anymore? Just how exactly are you going to charge people for this game which you don’t own the rights to?
Swift
Next month we’ll release more screenshots. Watch this website for new screenshots: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/laurabowinvestigativereporter/
Also if you want to watch our continuing online development, visit our webserver at: http://ben.guruexp.info/
