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      Hello

      Being a University student in my twenties I discovered Sierra graphic adventure games much later in the 1990’s when I was on the look out for discounted ‘graphic adventure  games’  I had a Apple IIGS until high school, then a Pentium I for high school and most of college, now I have a notebook computer.  I found that I loved these type of games, and am rather sadden that many are hard to play on newer computer, and that they are no longer made (although I just got Longest Journey).

      Anyways, I was playing Police Quest Four and after beating it, I reflected that the storyline dealt with an issue that I had not really seen before in a video or computer game; CROSS-DRESSING?

      Your police partner had a double life ‘in the closet’, you actually visit what must be the first peek at a video game ‘gay bar’.  This must have been rather riske to do back in 1993.  

      I mean, I owned a 8-bit Nintendo and a Genesis/CD and their was never even the hint that any character in the game was gay or transgender.   Perhaps Sega and Nintendo prohibited such referneces?

      It got me thinking about how video/computer games have depicted sexuality over the years and got me off writing a college paper.

      Is this a taboo topic to introduce in software titles? How many other  games have done this?

    • #27666 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      I think Sonny (a police officer) dated a hooker in Police Quest 1 (someone correct me if I’m mistaken).

    • #27667 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      Yes…Sweet Cheeks Marie Wilkins was a hooker in PQ1….and gets arrested in a sting. She then helps Sonny go undercover at the Hotel Delphoria to nail Jesse Bains…

      I don’t remember what job, or if she had one in PQ2

      And of course, she got shot at the beginning of PQ3

      JT

    • #27668 Reply
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      So Prostitution is really the same thing as homosexuality and cross-dressing.  Um, Ok.

      I am guessing that Nintnedo and Sega had censorship rules that graphic adventure computer games generarlly did not operate under or ignored.  I noticed that many graphic adventure games had plently of ‘mature sexual themes’.

    • #27669 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      Wow, this is crazy stuff!

      No, they are not at all the same thing- but I don’t see your point. Are you outraged? I think if people want to crossdress and that gives them identity, who are we to say ‘Wow, that’s wrong’. Especially when we’re taking about an adult computer game. I don’t think parents gave their kids a cop game like PQ either, with bullets and violence.

      Prostitution, homosexuality and crossdressing I have no problem with. Doesn’t mean it’s for me, though 🙂

      Anyway. As for SEGA and Nintendo censorship, I think censorship is ridiculous. Look at what’s censored, heartwarming scenes like the after-sex scene in Rise of the Dragon’s SEGA CD release.

      The reason SEGA censored Sierra games for example was because it means American review boards don’t see it. It’s a way of dumbing games down and getting them on the shelf.

      Which sucks, because most video games don’t have enough ‘real’ content, it’s either fairy land or pseudo-over the top-violence which gets a high rating anyway. Censorship liek SEGA’s ROTD job is simply censoring the good aspects of things like sex, which IMO should not be censored.

      But America (and my country, Australia)’s censorship views and such are completely screwed and uber-conservative anyway, so it’s kind of a futile topic in my sad opinion.

      – Alistair

    • #27670 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      Here are some quotes I wondered about:

      “No, they are not at all the same thing- but I don’t see your point. Are you outraged?”

      It isn’t too hard to see the point … Why add the question about being outraged? No sign in the posting of that. Trying to provoke a bit?

      “Prostitution, homosexuality and crossdressing I have no problem with. Doesn’t mean it’s for me, though:”

      We are so glad with that addition. We thought for a moment you were a homosexual prostitute interested in crossdressing. And so brave not to have any problems with these issues.

      “But America (and my country, Australia)’s censorship views and such are completely screwed and uber-conservative anyway, so it’s kind of a futile topic in my sad opinion.”

      Does that make the topic futile?

    • #27671 Reply
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      You’re absolutely right, I phrased that terribly.

      I guess I maybe misread what the guy was saying, but it did seem to me he was at least slightly making criticisms of such things.

      I don’t think the topic’s futile, but it subtly felt like some kind of conservative dichotomy, to me anyway. Basically, not saying things like ‘being gay is bad’ but saying more measured things instead like ‘this is shocking’ and so forth. I think a lot of people do that online, though.

      But yeah, I was way off overall. My bad.

      – Alistair

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