KQ III and IV (missing documentation)

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    • #22827 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      Well, I got the bug to play these games again, but as you may have it, my KQ collection 2-CD set made the move but not the old boxes. Now I can’t even start KQIV or do spells in KQIII. Is the verdict out on getting online versions of these manuals? or does anyone know if they can be purchased somwhere? If I recall correctly, the collection CD manual just has a list of words for the KQIV question as opposed to the orginal disk set (which I own too, but alas lost the box years ago.)
      Steve

    • #22828 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: KQ III and IV)

      The King’s Quest III manual appears to be available at Replacement Docs (link below).

      KQ4 isn’t there. You’re right that the collection contains a list of words. I’ll scan it for you.

      -emily

      Replacement Docs — good site for manuals, etc.

    • #22829 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      (re: KQ III and IV) Ken said he didn’t want games put up for download, but he didn’t mind links to sites with the games on them.
      I’m sure he said something about manuals in the past, but I don’t remember and I don’t have it on record. At the least, just as with games, he probably wouldn’t mind a link posted to a site that has them. So the question is whether or not he’d mind if manuals were posted.
      On the one hand, it wouldn’t be good to just have posts with all the copy-protection information in it. I wouldn’t approve of that. On the other hand, I think it would be perfectly reasonable to post manuals in full in the Musuem area. It’s more arguably the preservation of history than just passing the copy-protection info around. If Ken would allow that, I’ll be glad to get the KQ3 and KQ4 manuals done ASAP, since I will have my new scanner in a couple days. If Ken won’t allow that but would allow links to them, I’ll be happy to stash them elsewhere and offer links.

    • #22830 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: KQ III and IV)

      Hi Brandon,

      Ken did comment on this in the past, link to the thread is below.

      I did put a scan up in the KQ4 museum area but if you’d prefer I can take it down and put it up on my own website, and just post a link here. Don’t want to get anyone in trouble. It would be more in the vein of historical preservation to scan the whole Collection manual but I’m too sleepy to do the whole thing right now.

      I personally would love to see the entire KQ4 manual again as mine was thrown away long ago.

      -emily

      ps I am going to remove my post in the museum area for now and wait to hear from you / Ken whether it is okay to put the copy protection scan up or not.

      Kens comment on the copy protection issue

    • #22831 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      (re: KQ III and IV) Alright no problem Emily, good on you for remembering where that post was. I’m sure it’s fine then to post that.
      Actually I have several nice, large scans of the copyright protection stuff from the KQ collection manuals (there was also a 4 side fold-out I believe in addition to the manual) and because those pages are so thin, it took me a while but I cleaned them all up.
      I wouldn’t make anyone scan the whole collection manual because it’s so big, but as I say I will scan the game manuals as they are not too long. I will also include the relevant pages from the collection manuals and bundle it all in a PDF file.
      If you want you can put your scan back up in the interim so that Steve can play his KQ 🙂

    • #22832 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      (re: re: KQ III and IV)

      Allrighty then, I’ll repost it.

      My collection manual doesn’t have a fold out thingie, but we may have different collections. I have the 15-year anniversary collection (it *might* be a European release?) that included games 1-6. My manual has the table of contents at the back, which is one reason I thought it might be European. (It also says ENGLISH on the front cover, which is unusual unless it was released in languages other than English…)

      -emily

      Click here to go to the website

    • #22833 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      (re: re: KQ III and IV)

      Wow, now that is what I call quick turnaround! I really do appreciate the effort. In any case its just great to be able to play these games again. Its amazing the things that you find in a move, and the memories it brings back! I found this site a couple of weeks ago and read the copy protection thread, but could not find it when looking for an answer to this question, so thanks for the link.

      I was also remembering all of the InterAction magazines I owned and kicked myself for throwing them away when I moved out for college.

      Thanks again!
      Steve

    • #22834 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      (re: KQ III and IV)

      You’re welcome!

      (The three of us must be in the same time zone!)

      🙂 emily

    • #22835 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: re: KQ III and IV)

      East coast? Its pretty late here…

    • #22836 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      (re: KQ III and IV) Canada, West Coast, it’s 11:30 and I should be going to bed because I have to work early tomorrow.
      Yes Emily we must have different collections, even if they’re only slightly different, I forget the particulars of mine (though I know it’s 1-6 too), because it’s not really mine, it’s my Dad’s.

    • #22837 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: re: KQ III and IV)

      I have scanned the manual to the floppy version of KQ6 and converted it to a really nice PDF. I have not posted it anywhere because of the copy protection. Maybe if the copy protection pages were deleted or obscured it would be OK to upload it here? 

    • #22838 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: KQ III and IV)

      Well, I think we’ve agreed in light of Ken’s previous post that it doesn’t matter about the copyright protection. The KQ6 manual is certainly a beautiful one, if not the best one. Do you have the original taller one, or the second square one? Either way, do upload it to the King’s Quest museum so we can check it out!

    • #22839 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
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      (re: re: KQ III and IV)

      I must really be getting old to think that 11:30 is late. (I’m on the west coast too.) I remember when it wasn’t. Oh well.

      I have the tall skinny KQ6 manual (didn’t realize there was a square one too?) and would be willing to scan it if it’s different from the one Collector has. Incidentally, I noticed that replacement docs has a request for that manual – so if you have already scanned the KQ6 manual, it might be nice to upload it over there as well.

      -emily

    • #22840 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: re: KQ III and IV) Is the square one you are talking about the one that came with the CD? I have both, but, it’s the tall, narrow version that came with the floppy version that I scanned. I will upload the PDF when I get back home. I am now working on the Conquests of the Longbow manual. I have also started on the Space Quest 5 Hintbook too.
      Also, if anyone has the King’s Quest IV manual, I would love to see it. Though I have KQ4, it is part of the two collection, so I have never seen the manual that came with original release of the game.

    • #22841 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: KQ III and IV)

      I have the CD version and it came with an insert (I guess you could call it a square manual!) But… the insert doesn’t have any of the copy protection info in it, just installation instructions. I got this at a thrift store; I always assumed some sort of manual must have been packaged with it originally. Do you have a CD insert that also includes copy protection stuff?

      The long skinny manual I got with the Mac version when the game first came out.

      -emily

    • #22842 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: KQ III and IV) Both disk and CD versions came with the Guidebook – the disk version the taller, oversized one, the CD version the smaller, square one. Collector, look forward to seeing your PDF of the tall one (as well as the other stuff you’re working on). I myself have the tall one and not the square one – I’d be interested to know if there’s any differences between them besides re-formatting that had to occur because of the size change? Did anything get left out?
      Collector, I will do the KQ4 manual very soon… I’m getting my new scanner tomorrow.
      The website vintage-sierra.com is excellent for seeing all the different versions of the games. This guy has a very complete collection. I’ve talked with him before about sending him some scans for his site of stuff he doesn’t have etc., maybe he could contribute to SierraGamers.com, and other things as well – but alas, he is not very good at responding to emails. Oh well, I’ve been talking recently with another collector who has a great collection of Sierra stuff who may be willing to contribute some scans of rare material, etc.

    • #22843 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: re: KQ III and IV)

      Thanks, I went over to vintage-sierra and saw what you were talking about. That’s weird that they’d resize the manual like that when it wasn’t even intended as a CD insert. I wonder why that choice was made? (Could have been cheaper to print at that size…)

      -emily

    • #22844 Reply
      Unknown,Unknown
      Participant

      (re: KQ III and IV) Probably cheaper. In fact, you’d be surprised just how many little variations there are between Sierra releases… I don’t even mean classification of releases by their major actual different releases. For example, vintage-sierra lists 2 versions of KQ3 I think. Well, I have a sub-version of KQ3’s second release, where the manual doesn’t have the blue border on the front, instead the border is just black. Why? Cheaper to print again probably. That’s assuredly not the only reason things were changed… but often there were sub-versions like this where little things got changed. Anyway, it sure would make an interesting study, but sadly I’m sure no such records exist and we can’t count on the helpfulness of all collectors to tirelessly document their stuff.
      Woohoo! New scanner tomorrow! I can’t wait. If anyone reads this before tomorrow morning, tell me what you think of this one. The one thing I wish was more common was a larger scanning area for over-sized material.

      Link: http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=9374&item=9439&section=10218(http://www.usa.canon.com/html/conCprProductDetail.jsp?modelid=9374&item=9439&section=10218) 

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