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      I’ll check to see what I have. I think I have some of the “really old” issues.
      You may want to check with Kinkos to see what they would charge to do all the scanning. I’ll consider picking up the cost.
      -Ken W

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      (re: re: re: re: re: re: Kinko’s scanning) I am attaching an Image that is 8.5×11 inches with a pixel count of 2550×3300 if you decided to print it at 300dpi, the resulting image will be 8.5x11in. This file is JPEG at roughly 25% compression… if 0 is the worst and 100% is the best quality scale.
      As far as magazine count.. I personally own 35 different magazines. Between a few other people there 5 others that I know exist, bringing it to 40, and if you follow the Qtr/Volume numbers, I am pretty sure there are 8-10 others. (Depending on what happend during some transition periods of magazine name change). So by my count I am positive there at 40, with most likely 48-50.
      I am sure we can negotiate with anyone that we get to do the job. We just have to be willing to move forward with it – as far as making the project too complex, I am with you to a certain point. This project no matter how you structure it is going to be complex – fact of the matter is, you are going to have to hand-place each page on a scanner – that is the time killer right there, the dpi you use, the medium that you put it on, percentage wise will be very small compared to the acutal “laying the magazine on the glass”.
      60% of the time will be spent laying the picture down and scanning.
      20% of the time will be spent correcting the pages
      10% of the time will be spent saving and converting (PDF)
      10% of the time will be spent archiving to some medium
      That being said, if we save them as 300dpi TIFF files, or 100×400 low-res JPG’s the bulk of the time is the same regardless (scanning). So as I have learned in projects in the past – do it right the first time, put forth the extra effort to get what you want. No sense in completing the project, and then a year later wishing you had done it differently. Plan for the lowest common denominator, and go from there. Just my .02 cents worth. It’s gonna be hard but well worth it I believe.
      Ken, Question : If I give you a list of the missing magazines (about 10 of them) can you search through your collection, you are our best source right now, or possibly have a contact (like Al Lowe) that might have the others? Thanks.

      50k JPG of Winter 1988 Sierra Mag
      Same pic, but at 2.7 MEGABYTES!

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      (re: re: Kinko’s scanning) Petter :
      Thanks for all the info on the mad magazine archive. That sounds like quite and impressive project. I have been researching Adobe Capture. Basically it is OCR (optical character recognition) software that works with a PDF file, to basically “hide” the recognized text being the image scan, so that although it looks like a perfectly scanned image, and the formatting has been preserved, it is fully searchable by word. I am really leaning toward this route I think.
      Back on to the main subject. It seems from what I hear yourself, Ken, and others talk about is the concern for how much room this collection is going to take up for the final product to the average end user. While this is a very valid subject, and will need to be determined at some point, I think the real issue at hand is how these magazines are :
      1) Going to be rounded up (we are still missing a some)
      2) Scanned (by who(m) and if by how a company how much, and whos paying)
      3) If someone is going to pay, what is our budget?
      As it stands right now I think Ken is our best source for the missing ones, but sounds like things are kinda packed up from a move, and needs some sorting through. As far as who is going to scan them – I think we have 2 or 3 people willing to help – we just need to set a standard, do some test, and have at it. If we are going to send it out to be done 3rd party, we need to find out who our investors are (at this point just Ken) and find out what we are willing to spend. From Ken’s earlier Email it looks like he was willing to pay around $1-2 a scan for 1200 pages.. so that give me an idea of around $1500-2000 to work with.
      Basically there is nothing stopping me from starting to scan them right now, I guess I am just waiting for Ken to say yea or nea on the budget for an external company. Ken when did you think you would be back home again?

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      (re: re: re: re: Kinko’s scanning) I should be back in Seattle on Oct 22nd, and will look then to see what I have.
      On the budget side: I’ll kick in up to $2,000 on the project – which doesn’t need repaid. Do we have someone who is interested in “marketing” the CDs at a reasonable cost – so that the rest of us can count on being able to obtain them?. I don’t think we’ll sell a lot of them – but it wouldn’t surprise me if we move a few hundred over the next year or two.
      -Ken W
      Perfect. Let me call Kinko’s and try to renegotiate with them and/or Robert, and work on posting a budget that would outline how that $2,000 would be spent, and get back with you.
      As far as marketing them – I have always been interested in doing that – not for profit, but in the fact that I have a keen interest in the products (not to mention a history) and that I know that I can deliver a quality product to the public. I am working on a Sierra archive/distribution site as we speak, both the distribute the end product, gather people to help, and finding people to donate/lend materials to be archived, should be done in the next week or so. So I will have the perfect place to showcase them.
      Also, Ken, while you are looking through those boxes, do you think you might be able to start rounding up all those videos you remember having? I am still itching to get a DVD Video collection up and going, moving forward on these projects has really got my gears turning. Just let me know. Thanks

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      (re: Kinko’s scanning) just curious — who owns the copyrights on these magazines? the current Sierra? is selling scans of the magazines (for cost or not) going to create problems?
      my brother-in-law is an account manager at Kinko’s. i haven’t asked, but it’s possible he could help us get a good deal for something like this. Brad, if you want to email me ( (
      ) with the information you’re using to get your quote, i can talk to him. however, we are in the san francisco bay area (expensive!), so it’s very possible a quote here would be higher.
      ps BUT… i do share brandon’s concern that kinko’s — or any 3rd party vendor — may not produce something as high in quality as people who have an interest in the old Sierra would.

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