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(Ditto : Netscrape Bites) Nothing worse than when a client wants cross browser compatability, on a web page and even worse – cross platform compatability, and then to top it off they want it compatible with the past 5 versions. Netscape on the PC and Netscape on the Mac are two different beasts. Any stats on what % of the world is still using Netscape?
Okay, now off my little soapbox and let me seguey into a more appropriate topic : AGI. Was that your brain child to create a language that was universal on any platform, and only had to be run through it’s appropriate interpreter? Was that common in the day (albeit way back in the beginning there was alomst only you) or were you kind of a pioneer in that respect (among other respects of course). It is such a simple yet effective way to open up your market with very little overhead.
Also, my memory is failing me, but it seems like you guys had the interpreter encrypted.. and the password was something like “Dorris” the name of your secretary at the time, or something. Thought maybe you could roll that in for us die-hard trivia fans.
Anyway – with all that said I will stop and let you digest all of that.
Thanks Ken.
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(re: I hate netscape) I hate netscape too. It’s pretty much evil as far as I’m concerned. Don’t even get me started on the drugged up versions of Netscape, such as Communicator. I’m having enough problems just with Netscape 7.02 on a site I’m currently working on.
Actually the worst thing about Netscape is not the bugs, it’s all the stupid Netscape ‘features’ that basically mean some things are unsolveable. -
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(re: I hate netscape) Oops .. I forgot to answer the AGI question…
AGI was mostly mine (including my idea). SCI, its’ sequel was mostly Jeff Stephenson. SCI was ahead of its time. I think it was the first true object oriented programming language.
I don’t know what the encryption key was for AGI games … if it is a ladies name, it might be either Bob Heitmans wife, or Jeff Stevensons wife (Jeanine(?) or Avis repectively). Sorry — you are talking nearly a quarter century ago!
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i am on a mac at work. the list seems to be indenting correctly. i am using IE 5.1; let me know if you want me to check it in Netscape.
i’ll take a screenshot so you can see how it’s indenting for me.
-emily
ps here’s a bug though! i uploaded the first screenshot (website bugs and discussion) fine. when i uploaded the second one (king’s quest area), it attached it to your message at the top of this forum, not to my message. i uploaded it again and the file is now attached to my message, but i can’t get rid of the one attached to your message…
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(re: I hate netscape)
I’m using the worst version of Netscape I can imagine at work. It’s Netscape Communicator 4.73. And this site seems to be working perfectly! At least for viewing and posting messages. All the fancy options for message posting stuff doesn’t appear though, and the box to type stuff into doesn’t virtual wrap 🙁 And, for editing messages, it’s worse. The input box is only one row high and very small, and again doesn’t virtual wrap. You need to get those settings into your textarea calls.
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(re: I hate netscape)
Indenting seems fine on a Mac running Netscape Communicator 7.0
To respond to the comment about fancy message options — those don’t work on my mac at all, in netscape or IE. I was surprised to see them when I first logged on at home with my PC! (Not actually too surprised because the Mac often doesn’t support stuff like that.) But the area to type the message is a fine size in Communicator 7.0, and it’s wrapping fine too. (Edit: okay, the edit box doesn’t wrap, but it is a fine size.)
Let me know if there are other things you need tested on a mac or if you want screenshots to see how things look.
-emily
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(re: I hate netscape) Thank you all! I found the problem on the text boxes, and will work on it later tonight or tomorrow morning….
The “fancy editing” I’m not planning to implement on the Mac … I bought the source code for the editor from a third party company and enhanced it for this site. They don’t offer it for Mac.
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(re: Does anyone have a Mac???) I notice this is 3 months after you asked the question, but yes, I do have a Mac running Mac OS X. Unfortunately, of the 3 browsers I have (Internet Explorer 5.2.3, Safari 1.0, and Camino .7), the site only works in Camino (Which is odd since Internet Explorer usually takes care of sites written for Internet Explorer and Safari works a lot better than Camino). In Internet Explorer and Safari, the menu on the left fails to render. I remember coming to the site thinking “I have to be missing something….”
As a sidenote/suggestion/reinforcement, this has been one of my main complaints with many templates currently available online. They have a tendency to work just fine in Microsoft Internet Explorer for Windows, but are either marginally browseable or impossible using anything else. So, I appreciate the consideration. I’m a huge fan of writing straight simple HTML code, so I’ll make my standard plug for
Link: W3C Standards(http://www.w3.org)
. Since you’re developing a web-based application, I’m not quite sure how you could integrate standards into it, but it’s something to keep in mind. For a quick background of HTML standards, see “
Link: How to achieve standards….(http://www.w3.org/QA/2002/04/Web-Quality)
” The thing I like about them is that I know that the websites I make (which took a lot longer than the ten minutes it’ll take your users) will work in any browser. Of course, 95% of the web I browse works fine for me in Safari. The 5% that doesn’t is infrequent enough that I usually say “Oh well, I didn’t really need to go to that site anyway.” – Mike Belisle -
(re: re: Does anyone have a Mac???) I’ve seen the menu rendering problem on the Mac before. I’m not sure how to fix it – but, have some ideas. I’ll get to it this weekend, and email you to try it on a few different browsers. There is also a related problem on many other browsers where the menu doesn’t draw if you resize the screen.
It’s times like this when I miss the Sierra days the most, where I had 700 engineers and a huge QA department. Now all I’ve got is one lazy programmer (me) working with a geographically dispersed QA department (you)!
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(re: re: re: Does anyone have a Mac???) This is probably a given, but it appears to be a problem associated with Apple’s use of Konquerer as a source. Well, it’s not really a problem so much as each browser tends to do its own thing since the web is so inconsistent. Emily could be right that it does indeed work in Internet Explorer on the Mac, and I’ll try again when I get home. I would/did find it very odd if/that it didn’t work. I’m currently on a PC running LINUX, and, just like on Safari, the menu doesn’t render in Konquerer. It works fine in Mozilla though, so, on second thought, I attribute the fact that it worked fine in Camino to the fact that Mozilla, Netscape, and Camino share the same codebase.
– Mike Belisle
p.s. I think you should fix this message: {LINK}13242
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(re: I made a lot of Mac and Netscape changes)
Anything specific you want tested?
I use IE with my mac and haven’t had problems (well, except for the ones I’ve reported to you, but those don’t seem to be mac specific).
I can load up Netscape and poke around, but let me know if there are specific things to be looking for.
-emily
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(re: re: I made a lot of Mac and Netscape changes) Emily:
Thanks for the offer. As you correctly surmised, the issue is Netscape. Under Netscape, I don’t support the fancy editor.
It’s not worth your loading Netscape. I have version 4.7 installed on my computer here, and it works fine. If there are problems, someone out there will write me.
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